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Trace fossils in COL #982

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mdoering opened this issue Mar 18, 2025 · 8 comments
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Trace fossils in COL #982

mdoering opened this issue Mar 18, 2025 · 8 comments
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mdoering commented Mar 18, 2025

We have Ichnofossils names coming into the COL XR and need to decide where to best place these in the overall COL hierarchy.
See discussion about Abeliella Mägdefrau, 1937 and how IRMNG places them under Animalia
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Ichnofossil taxonomy now falls under the provisions of the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature:

Fossil animal taxa and animal trace fossils, or ichnotaxa, are covered by the ICZN.

Ichnofossil names are normally binomial (ichnogenus and ichnospecies) and their naming follows the rules of priority as outlined therein. To learn more about the classification of ichnofossils, refer to the ICZN and the proposal to amend the code for trace fossils proposed by Bertling et al. (2006). Other ichnological classification systems that have been proposed include: toponomic (described in Simpson, 1975), reservoir ichnology (Knaust 2014), and diagenetic classification of trace fossils and their relationship to cement distribution in sedimentary rocks (e.g., Abdel-Fattah et al. 2011).

As there are also trace fossils based on Bacteria, e.g. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite, a new root level group "Ichnofossils" might be best for COL?

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TonyRees commented Mar 18, 2025 via email

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dhobern commented Mar 18, 2025

Obviously, this is a messy area with several equally plausible choices we could make (separate pseudo-kingdom, under animals, split between kingdoms).

I assume this all matters for the COL paleo group. Do they have thoughts on how data would best be organised for their purposes? We should think of COL's primary use as a kind of ontology or hierarchical vocabulary. Is it more important to make it easy to group ichnofossils with other scientific names or instead to be able to slice them cleanly out?

On an associated front, does GBIF want to include ichnofossil specimen records in its data?

What sources do we expect to use for ichnofossil names? Will these all be coming from a single trusted source or provided piecemeal by different sources? If there are multiple, we need to consider how easy it will be to align them.

Do we have or do we need a new flag (or vocabulary term) so we can distinguish ichnofossils from other fossils?

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All good questions. We already get ichnofossil names from PBDB. And these show up in the COL XR often as duplicates as you can see in the Abeliella discussion. The root cause being some very different classifications into plants and animals which the merge currently considers as distinct names no matter what. I consider to change that if the authorship is given and matches exactly. It still leaves us with the decision where best to place them and not have them in various places.

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TonyRees commented Mar 21, 2025 via email

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For COL I would indeed propose to keep the all non biotic fossil names under a single root taxon.
Something like an unranked Abiota taxon which then contains trace and pseudo fossils as kingdoms? Maybe Abiotic fossils is better to deliminate them from Viruses.

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There is a debate, but I think we would want that. They are not dealt with properly at this stage though, but it might be a good idea to review the way we deal with them together with the pseudo fossil names

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tkarim commented Mar 24, 2025

Hi all... the Paleo Data Working Group had a good discussion on this topic with Dr. Nic Minter in March 2024. It might be good to loop someone like him into the discussion.

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